Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: All right, we're back. Locker room access family. We got a special episode from the who's Hooping podcast.
We got Sean Crow and Kari Williams. I appreciate you guys jumping on, man. We, you know, we've been chatting a little bit back forth. I'm excited to. To talk to you guys about the season and your. And your UVA sort of. I don't want to say fandom, but, you know, career, so to speak. So thank you for. For jumping on, fellas.
[00:00:29] Speaker B: Yeah, thanks for having us.
[00:00:31] Speaker A: Yeah. So let's start. Let's start there with the. The who's Hooping podcast. Like, how did. How did that come about? Whose idea was it?
You know, you've been doing it, what, a couple seasons now? Tell. Tell everybody about it for those that haven't heard of you.
[00:00:48] Speaker C: Yeah, Sean, I'll let you kick it off.
[00:00:50] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:00:51] Speaker B: Yeah. So Kari and myself, we were class of 2018 at UVA. We actually met because we lived in the. We were in Courtney, which is one of the dorms right near Scott Stadium. We were, you know, very big sports fans, you know, coming into college. So I. I grew up a UVA fan as well.
And so, yeah, we.
The first year we were going to games together, you know, whether that was football, basketball, I think we had close to a perfect attendance record for. For basketball games in our four years at uva.
We were obviously there during some pretty good years with Tony and all the guys that came through. And Kari and I, we got involved in. In one student media organization. We did, like, a weekly or monthly show that we recorded. And so we kind of got the creative juices flowing from that, I guess. And I think, you know, shortly after graduation, Kari maybe approached me with the idea. We had some friends that actually did kind of a rival podcast, but friends, guys and ties.
And so we shortly thereafter decided to make the jump ourselves.
[00:01:59] Speaker A: I love it. That's awesome. Maybe we can jump into.
[00:02:04] Speaker A: Like, your. Your fandom of UVA sports. Where. Where. Let's start. Sean, why don't we start with you in terms of how did you start? You said you were a fan of UVA before.
For a long time. So walk us through. Like, what. What started your UVA fandom.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely.
So my dad went to uva. I grew up in the. In the Richmond area. Okay. My dad, yeah, he graduated in 79, so he was. Okay, slightly pre Ralph, but amazing.
Yeah, I went to a lot of games growing up. Like, I. My first memories of UVA basketball were Sean Singletary at U Haul.
[00:02:41] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:02:42] Speaker B: So it's My first jersey I had was the 44 orange one, and kind of started there and really I was. I was die hard. You know, I was reading the newspaper as an elementary schooler. I was like writing my school projects about UVA basketball, and so it was kind of a natural fit. And then I was fortunate enough to get in and stayed in state and went to school there, and it just kind of took off from there.
[00:03:06] Speaker A: Amazing. So what. What were some of your earliest memories of that? That.
[00:03:12] Speaker A: That squad with Sean Singletary? Was it. Was it when Pete Gillins was there or was it after? Yeah, yeah, Pete Gillen. Okay, so for early Sean Singletary then.
[00:03:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I remember Pete Gillen hitting a couple of big game winners. I think one against unc, but definitely the. The biggest memory has to be the. The shot against Duke, Sean Singletary, the fade away teardrop with like a second left to beat Duke in that, that game. And then they had a real nice team, him and J.R. reynolds in that. They had a, you know, really tough loss against Tennessee in the second round of that tournament after they. They beat Albany pretty handily. But those are kind of some of my, my early memories that I look fondly back on.
[00:03:53] Speaker A: Amazing. All right, Kari, let's start. Let's start with you. I know growing up in Durham, like, what was your relationship with UVA basketball as a, as a kid?
[00:04:03] Speaker C: Yeah, so similarly to Sean legacy kid as well, too. My mom, dad, and granddad all went to UVA in some sort of capacity. I didn't really recognize that until later on. My dad actually went to Virginia Tech for his undergrad degree, so kind of grew up a Virginia Tech fan throughout the years. So some of my memories were like Malcolm Delaney, Seth Greenberg, always being on the bubble and never getting in on the right side of it. So those are some of my early memories. And never really to a point where Virginia was the rival, but just would always be rooting for dad's squad every once in a while. But grew up a giant UNC fan.
And then as some high schoolers do, at some point I was just like, well, I want to go away from home. Like, UNC is like right in the back door from, like my house. All my high school friends end up going to unc, so a place to get away. And then as I started looking more into it, my mom was never really a big sports fan, so she wasn't always one. Like, oh, this is like where I went to school. I love the who's all these things. So I didn't even know she Went to uva, I want to say, until maybe like junior year when I was applying, shipping on a tour and I was like, oh yeah, like I went here as well and so did your granddad. And so all that kind of came like, okay, yeah, no, literally no clue until like junior year when it was time to start doing college tours.
So that kind of took me by surprise. And then the more I learned about it, it's like, wow, lots of gone here. So always been in the family, just even if I didn't realize it.
But I guess my earliest like UVA teams, I just remember like even before applying I was turning on just ESPN randomly one night they were playing a really close game against VCU. I think this game they won or sorry, VCU won. I want to say like 75, 72. It was a pretty high scoring game for a Tony Bennett led team. But I remember like the team being really good, like wow, like Regina's actually pretty good this year. And as I started applying, following it more and more, the team became more appealing, really exciting. And then my first game, which Sean ironically was also at, was the ACC championship back in 2014 when Coach K through the pin got teed up, beat Jabari Parker and I think Rodney Hood was his running mate that year as well too. So right start to the fandom for me.
[00:06:12] Speaker A: Amazing. So then, so when you guys were at uva, what was the routine like for you for, for games?
Let's, let's start with home first and home. Like what did you guys do for home games?
[00:06:26] Speaker C: Yeah, actually I shall elit.
[00:06:29] Speaker B: We definitely acquired our saber points very strategically. So we went to all the, you know, we like going to the other events anyways, but we went to as many volleyball games, soccer games, so we could, you know, get, get group one.
I was involved in who crew. I was pretty involved there. So we would help put on those events for the non revenue sports. But then we would line up, you know, 90 minutes before tip off, get in there, you know, storm right to the, to the sideline, try to get in the, the first couple rows.
[00:07:00] Speaker B: You know, close to mid court and get the streamers ready and passed out for the, the opening tip off.
[00:07:06] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:07:06] Speaker B: Okay.
I got a student guest ticket for my uncle one game and he, he threw the streamers onto the court and that was when they had to like warn the crowd that oh like, you know, this could lead to a technical file. So had to, had to teach the uncle a thing or two.
[00:07:21] Speaker A: But yeah, all right.
[00:07:22] Speaker B: Yeah, it was fun.
[00:07:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:24] Speaker C: And then Sean was Always probably a group or two better than me. So when Sean's like sprinting in to get to sideline seats, I'm texting Sean for the updates. As I'm waiting for, like, Sean group one, I'm probably sitting there at group three. So I got. I think it was like, what, Sean? Five minute increments for the group. So, like, group one gets in sick. Yeah. So like, Sean's in by like 6:00pm I'm sitting there at like 6:08. Like, Sean, how's it looking on the sideline and getting probably a thumbs up or a thumbs down and then just trying to navigate from there.
But I definitely think. I think Sean had better luck than I did for some of the biggest marquee matchups. I want to say. I think Sean, you got to go to like, were you at Duke UVA first year?
[00:08:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I was. I was. That's funny because that was like fraternity bid day, and that was a big thing was like, would you let us go to this or not? And that kind of became a decision that people had to think about.
[00:08:17] Speaker C: So I didn't have tickets anyway, so it didn't really make a difference for me. But, yeah, I have tickets.
[00:08:21] Speaker A: So that was game day, right? That was a. That was a really tough ticket. If I want. If I think another right here.
[00:08:28] Speaker C: Yes, it was game day and also boys bid day that same time. So what you'd have going on is everyone would get over to JPJ for game day at like 9am in the morning, go celebrate, and hang out for that. Once they shoot the half court shot, we all come back to the dorms.
And this is our first year. So all of us and all of our friends are getting bids from our respective fraternities. So then everyone's having their fun celebrations from like noon to 2 and 3, and then to close out the evening, if you were fortunate enough, you got a dupe ticket, you went to the game heartbreaker. Or if you didn't, a lot of us just had boys bid night activities. So it was definitely a pretty eventful day between game day, boys bid night, and then also just the actual tip off itself.
[00:09:10] Speaker A: So what about the games itself? What was the more memorable or what was the vibe like with basketball? Like, were there like fans that were die hard and then other others that were like casuals? And then was there like that whole sort of dilemma of who's into hoops and who's not and who's going and like, did you guys experience a lot of that?
[00:09:34] Speaker C: Yeah. Sean, I feel like everything revolved around basketball while we were there. Like every event you were going to was for the saber points. Like you would go, like everything was pretty well attended. And a lot of the non revenue sports probably benefited from it, where everyone was just so ingrained in basketball because it was almost like a lightning flash in terms of the enthusiasm because you had that 2013, 2014 team before a lot of us got there and that was a big turnaround. So for the students that are currently at uva, you're bringing back a lot of players.
You're seeing the progress, you're seeing the growth. I know Joe Harris got a lot of love for that 1314 team, but Malcolm Brogdon was the leading scorer and probably was the team's best player still that year.
So you've got Malcolm Brogdon coming back. You've got guys like Justin Anderson that are starting to make the turn.
You got a good young point guard in London, Pirantis. So there's a lot of enthusiasm around it. So if you were a die hard basketball person, you were excited. If you were just a UVA sports fan in general, you were excited because the lifeblood, the energy. And there were some people who kind of were just like, I guess too cool for basketball or too cool for anything. But their opinions kind of around sports were just, I go to uva, I'm here for the good time. Not really the sports piece of it. And what also helped is I think football scheduled aggressively then. Like, we weren't great in terms of record, but we had great games. Like I remember think Sean, what was our first home game of college? Like us versus ucla. Yeah, so like we had great games to go to as well. So like the vibe was always fantastic. You go collect your points and then stick around. So we, we really got to have an awesome, awesome pinnacle of UVA sports while we were there. Basketball was the king of everything, but just great all around sports. Our first year we won three titles as well too, across all the sports, Soccer, baseball. And Sean, who am I forgetting for our third title that year?
[00:11:17] Speaker B: I'm struggling to remember, but yeah, I remember the soccer and baseball like you're talking about.
[00:11:22] Speaker A: That's amazing. So what, what were some memorable games for you during your era? Like give me, give me big best game of your tenure at uva.
What was it for you?
[00:11:36] Speaker B: Man, we were, we were really lucky. Funny thing is, when you ask that question, the, the first one that comes to mind, it was kind of an ugly game. But that Cal game with Jalen Brown and Ivan Rab at jpj. We were like, we were losing almost the whole game. And Jared Reuter provided a spark off the bench and he was, he was really good for us. He probably had like his career high at UVA that day. And London hit that clutch three to eke out the win at. At home. I know that probably wouldn't be the answer most people would give, but that's the first one that came to mind.
[00:12:07] Speaker A: Underrated game. I love it. That's deep knowledge right there. That was a great. I remember watching that game and thinking, wow, Jalen Brown is like a legit. Just the way he moved on the court. I was like, oh my God, that guy's like incredible. What about, what about you, Kari? Who? What was the game.
[00:12:25] Speaker C: In your memory?
Yeah, I'm trying to think because like the games that come to mind easily are things that like bookend me and Sean's time. We weren't at uva because the first one comes to mind. Favorite UVA game all time will always be that ACC championship game.
[00:12:39] Speaker A: Right.
[00:12:40] Speaker C: I've been attendance for that. I was in attendance for the final four games, so those were great. But during there, I mean, Sean, our Villanova Christmas game was pretty awesome. I feel like me and you went to that together because it was pretty empty. I think we had either like, we probably had like just late exams that year. I mean, we had the same exam. I don't know what it would have been, but I remember Villanova and this is like when Ty Jerome and Kyle Guy were starting to really break out his first year. So that being a super exciting game.
[00:13:07] Speaker C: Trying to like big Justin Anderson dunks or Darius Thompson dunks. Like there was the one where Darius Thompson absolutely just ended somebody's career. And I think we were in person for that one as well too.
[00:13:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it' Mary or something like that.
[00:13:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Women Mary.
[00:13:20] Speaker A: That was amazing. One of the all time dunks in EVA history, in my opinion. What's up there? Yeah, yeah.
[00:13:26] Speaker C: Another good game we were there for is uva versus Wisconsin. Not necessarily a great game, but kind of like a funny moment that just is ingrained in my mind was so fun fact. I grew up in Durham alongside Jay Huff. We played each other a few times in high school and this was, I think Jay Huff's first year. And I don't know what Jay did, but Jay was just an automatic fan favorite. Kind of similar to how like Elijah Gertrude is a fan favorite now.
Not a lot of minutes logged yet, but somehow everyone just loves him. Jay was In a similar capacity. I remember like standing in the bleachers and someone in front of me was like upset with I guess Isaiah Wilkins guarding.
Not Kaminsky, but they're big right after first name is Ethan. I'm blanking on the last name either way. Like Ethan Hap. Yeah. So All American big men. We've got like our defensive players like doing their best against. Once again, it's all American. I remember this guy in front of me, he says like, put Jay Hoffman. He's going to predict his move so much better. I'm just like, all right, Jay, great. Jay's a first year, just getting used to the system. I don't know what he's done, but like, I don't know why you are out here just shouting out random things like this first year center we have is going to just magically guard this all American so much more.
Like a lot better than our acc. All defensive bigs that we have right now that just is forever seared in my mind. Just something I'd be like, put Jay Hoffman. He's going to predict every move so much better.
[00:14:45] Speaker A: So he was, he was. He was seriously a fan favorite. He was really. I always was baffled by it as well. I'm not gonna lie. Like, he. It was like.
I remember at the final four, we were sit sitting there and JF came in, he got dunked on. I think he missed the three. And then he fouled somebody and I. And then they pulled him out. I was like, oh my God. To take him out. And the person in front of me is like, what are you doing? He leave Jay. And I was like, yo, what.
[00:15:14] Speaker B: What game are you watching?
[00:15:16] Speaker A: But it's hilarious. Like he does. He has huge fan support. I think it's the. I think it's the blocks and the threes and his just skill at that size.
I always joked he's the reverse Kihei in that, you know, do the height privilege that he has. People just have incredible expectations and, and just fandom for. I don't know, I couldn't. I couldn't pin it myself. He's also super nice.
[00:15:43] Speaker C: Yeah, he's always been a great dude. We have. His AAU coach was one of my high school assistants. So we always were able to like link up throughout the years, primarily through them shout out to the Carolina Flyers.
But yeah, no, he was always a great guy and I think that really stood out. I mean, when he does media stuff now for the Pacers or when it's for the Grizzlies or as he became later on at uva, you could always just kind of see the personality coming through and he was always great saying hello and talk about Durham and I team around Grounds.
[00:16:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Leaving the NBA in blocks at the moment as of this recording, which is kind of awesome. I'm not. That's awesome. Yeah, that. That's crazy. That's cool. So let. Walk me through Final Four, that run. Where were you? Where were you guys? What were your. What was your sort of. For that whole tournament or maybe should we even back up UMBC game. We have to go there. What were your thoughts during that.
[00:16:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that was a car. In my fourth year was the UMBC game, unfortunately. So. So yeah, I remember that was the very last game of the opening. Opening round of games. Like we were the nine, 9:50pm or whatever. So all the other games are done and you're just kind of getting anxious. You're just like, all right, I'm just ready for this game to get started. And then, you know, it was like a Friday night, so people were kind of socializing out and about and you're like, you're kind of like, oh, it's, you know, playing a 16 seed, you're maybe not thinking that it's going to have to be a game that you're dialed into the every, every play. And then at halftime it starts to feel a little uncomfortable. It's like 23. 23 or 21, 21, something like that. And then, man, that was just so quiet that night around grounds and man, it was just a really somber time. So that was certainly a tough way for us to go out. But then the following year, Kari, you know, he made the trip. I, unfortunately, I had like a, a week long conference at work, so I was not able to make it. But man, it was just. It made it that much sweeter, like knowing what we had been through a year before. And I was just really thrilled for everybody. And that game was so on edge. Back and forth. I. I went back down to Charlottesville and I watched it Boiling Heights. And it was like, you can feel the energy.
[00:17:54] Speaker A: That's cool.
[00:17:54] Speaker B: Waver up and down. Yeah.
[00:17:57] Speaker A: So what, Kari, what was your. What was your, like, travel plans like? When did you realize you're going? How did you do it?
[00:18:05] Speaker C: Yeah, so it's kind of a fun story. And first point, Sean saying it was quiet on grounds. I want to know where Sean was. Where I was on grounds. It was quite loud. We lost our front door. A lot of expletives dropped across where I was. So was not as pleasant of a place to be after that game ended, but yeah. So 2019.
[00:18:28] Speaker C: Living in D.C. with some friends, we're watching the Purdue game at just a local spot.
Sean, what's it's like, Sean? It's a UVA bar.
Always have the game watches going close to U Street.
[00:18:43] Speaker B: Sorry, I got nothing.
[00:18:45] Speaker C: What I need it most, I forget it. But either way, really common spot. A lot of the games are watched there. So it's me and a few roommates watching the game and obviously game's incredible. Everyone's riding the energy super great. And then we have a buddy of ours who's been a season ticket holder and he was so excited he went and bought better tickets. So he took on the VAF offer for the free tickets or not free, but the tickets that come with his giving at this point in time he said, hey, I got two tickets up for grabs. Who wants them?
Me and my friend picked them up and from there it was just a scramble to get it all together. So we hop on the flight, we fly into the middle of Wisconsin because Minneapolis was just so expensive to get to so middle of Wisconsin. Rent a car, drive to St. Paul because we couldn't afford to stay in Minneapolis and yeah, we make it for the Auburn game. Literally. Our friend did not tell us that the seats are back against concrete. So we are at the very top of the stadium.
[00:19:49] Speaker C: And huge game the entire time. I think we were just on edge after that final shot by Kyle Guy. I think everyone was super stressed as we were so high up we couldn't hear the whistle. So all we see is Kyle Guy missed the final shot. Yeah, so he misses the, misses the shot, we panic, hits the free throws. Everyone's ecstatic.
And from there we actually sell our tickets. Like, we gotta get something better.
Spend all of Monday heckling, scrambling, trying to figure out better tickets. Eventually locks them down the lower level in the UVA section and at that point just absolute ecstasy. Incredible game. We almost gave the game away. I mean the shots by DeAndre Hunter and everybody to get it tied up and sending us into overtime and giving the lead. Awesome. Great for the story, but a little bit of heartbreak throughout it where it's just like, we're up, we're up, we're up. Oh my gosh, we're about to give this away. We might actually lose. We're going to lose and then boom, right back in it. I wish we had had a similar story for football this past weekend with comebacks, but yeah, just overall incredible weekend. Best decision I made and honestly, probably still the most expensive vacation I've gone on. Getting to the final last minute is not cheap.
[00:20:53] Speaker A: No, it's not like that. I always. I've always thought a great business model would be for. Instead of like fantasy betting, betting on your team early to make it and then if, if you win, then you get your. And then you get your hotel and your tickets.
I don't know how that's. It would seem like an easy thing to figure out. Right. Because only four teams are going to make it. So you literally could take a ton of bets. And then. Anyway, I like it.
Side conversation, but no, that's awesome. And then we go into Covid.
What are your thoughts post, Natty? Are you like, UVA is here to stay or are you like, what are your thoughts on where we are as a program at that point?
[00:21:36] Speaker C: Yeah, so I think what's Me and Sean also are really big on recruiting and following the recruiting trail. So even prior to uva, growing up in North Carolina, which is an absolute hotbed of talent.
And then my dad grew up in Virginia, so I actually grew up a lot going to the V.I. i think back then it was V.I. s double A. But checking out UNC recruits, I remember watching like Benedictine play Bishop O'. Connell. So watching guys like Ed Davis, Kendall Marshall, Reggie. Not Reggie Bullock, even Andre Dawkins going off to Duke. But finding a lot of the guys that are going to go into North Carolina schools from Virginia following along. Like people like Isaiah Hicks going up to Oxford, North Carolina to watch his games.
The.
[00:22:22] Speaker C: Program like, we had one of the best pro ams in the country at North Carolina Central. They had to get rid of it because of a recruiting violation. But guys like Kyrie coming through.
Just anyone who was for that year's class for NC State, Duke or unc. So I just grew up on high school recruiting. So much love it.
[00:22:37] Speaker A: So shout out who's got.
[00:22:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
The best to ever do it anyway. Go ahead. Sorry.
[00:22:44] Speaker C: No, no worries. But yeah, that was kind of like seeing what our recruiting classes looked like. Like that class with DeAndre Hunter, Kyle Guy, Ty, Jerome J. Huff. Momdiakita was a part of that class until he reclassed up. Like they were just knocking on the door and everyone was just opening up and letting them come on in. And we just had a great recruiting class. And then following that, it just felt like we weren't able to get the same caliber or quantity of that caliber of.
So you knew we might take a step back. We had a lot of guys leave it's hard to keep that much NBA talent. You kind of thought we would be back at the pinnacle at some point. You knew we were here to be like a reputable program. But if you had told me that that was going to be our last NCAA tournament run, and here I am like six years later with that still being our last true run and multiple wins in the tournament, I wouldn't have believed you at all.
[00:23:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, agreed. I mean we did, I mean people forget we did have the number one transfers in Hauser.
Yeah, right. And Trey Murphy and then Jay. I mean that was, that was a year that had some potential. And then the COVID thing happened. So maybe, yeah, you know, a string of bad luck. But it's hard to be mad after 2019's string of good luck. So, you know, a lot of people I think were just like, hey, you know what?
You get a five year hall pass when you win a title.
[00:24:09] Speaker A: And then it's kind of like what, what? And then nil happens.
And it's almost like recruiting isn't the same because of this transfer portal and where we are. But what are your guys thoughts on this whole. The way things have sort of panned out, where we are today?
What are your thoughts on, on that?
[00:24:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's, you know, in particular for uva as a program and for UVA fans it's just such an adjustment. It's probably more of an adjustment for Austin. It is for, you know, most any other Power 5 fan base just because Tony did things. You know, he was always great recruiting transfers, but he, he was recruiting guys to, you know, grow and develop in his program. And having this type of roster turnover year over year, I think is. It's a lot for us to adjust to. I think, you know, I probably have a little bit of a soft spot for guys that like stuck with the program, took maybe some time to develop, but became really good players by year three or year four. You know, someone like a Darion Atkins like comes to mind or Akil Mitchell, some guys like that.
So yeah, it's really been just a total 180 for UVA and obviously for college basketball overall. But I do think, you know, this change probably came at a good time for us. Obviously we'll always have a major soft spot in my heart for Tony Bennett, but I think Ryan Odom has fully embraced this era and you know, has shown a willingness to, to be, you know, big players in the nil game and, and bring in big name transfers, even if it's just for A year. So it's. It's definitely been a huge change for us this year and in the past couple years. But I think have loved, you know, what we've seen so far this year. So yeah.
[00:25:52] Speaker A: What. What about following recruiting and sort of this past off season. Like what. What were your. And we maybe we can just get into sor.
What are your thoughts of this team as. As it stands now and sort of.
I mean it's hard to look past this year at this point because you just don't know. But what are your thoughts for like this year and the way this team was constructed? Does it make sense? Do you like it? Is it weird? Is it what. What do you think?
[00:26:18] Speaker C: Actually I like it. I. It's kind of fun. I think back to John Calipari quote when he first got the job for Arkansas. Like I just went to the locker room, talked to the team. There is no team that was the entire vibe of like the entire season. Just like who are we going to get? Who are the guys going to be?
And I feel like one of the biggest benefits I think that was great is I thought we as fans got the greatest amount of access to personalities, players, content. Like the amount of stuff they've done to really market these guys and make sure the fans feel a good connection to them are things I would have been clamoring for for years and years and years and would have loved this at any other stage of uva. So it's been great what they've done around it for the space. Overall I nil in terms of getting guys paid for what they do, what they're just and what is needed.
I do wonder what like the all time fallout is going to be with the instant gratification that it allows some of these guys to chase. Like they're going to like there are some guys who are top prospects and I won't name names because I don't want it to. Like I'm taking shots at certain players. I mean there are guys at like low major schools that started off at high majors and didn't like their minutes left, didn't work out to the second place left again. I feel like each time you're just chasing a, you're learning a new scheme, having to learn a new offense, learn a new defense, you're starting from square one and then at the end of the day when you have gone through four years, don't have a great college experience and didn't really get to make the most of it, you look back and be like why did I do all of this so many times. And that's more for those who are kind of, like, transferring every single year. And the coach in me, like, loves to see the guys that, like, developers grow, build, and, like, stick with it and can take a little bit of feedback, criticism, and, like, pain points. I mean, at the end of the day, like, the ball is only going to keep bouncing for so many of these guys. Basketball is kind of meant to be there as, like, life lessons, a lot of fun stuff for it, or at least that's what it could be. Now. It can be a really great job opportunity for them, which is great as well, too. But I'm just curious, like, five, ten years down the road, what does the fallout look like? Not necessarily from Nil, but from Transfer Portal and the instant gratification chasing that. A lot of the players are going after. But I like the way we're at least trying to put it together, going after people that have already graduated or later on in their careers, have a degree, and looking for a year to continue to further their education and could be here for a long period of time. I feel like we've gone for good high character guys on the squad so far.
[00:28:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
I would say on the flip side of that, though, you look at someone like Walter Clayton last year, who goes, I don't know, gets paid, comes to Florida and then does what he does and wins it all and has this kind of storybook ending, goes pro in Utah, what?
It could go both ways, obviously, now. So I feel like it's a lot more gamble. But there's a bigger payoff, too, right? Because just like that, in one year, you can go from nothing to a hero at a huge, massive program, which I don't know how to feel about it, if I'm being truthful. I just don't know at this point, but I think it is. There is a flip. There's a. A positive to it, too, right? Which is like, hey, you have one down year. And now back in the day, it was like, I don't love a situation. He's got to get better, and it may take three years. And.
[00:29:29] Speaker A: Now it's like they leave and we get a new player and. And, you know, I don't know. I don't know how to think about it truthfully. It's kind of. We're all in this stage of like, all right, how's this gonna play out? Like, how do we become fans?
[00:29:45] Speaker C: I think that's a fair point. The guys like Walter Clayton. I think Walter Clayton had also Spent like three years at Iona and then had proven like I'm ready for this next level. I really want this shot or this year. Person I'm rooting for is Donovan Dent. Being at New Mexico for a while, grew up in California, gets a chance to go play for a flagship institution like ucla. Love those stories and honestly like love DJ Powers thing of you know what tried it at some places. I wish he had stuck either at Duke for another year or tried to stick at UVA for a year. The other part of this that I don't know behind the curtain is that it's not always the player's choice. That's the very unfortunate reality is that we only get half the one saying right yeah. So that's the one where I'm not.
[00:30:24] Speaker A: Aware what's the dude from NC State that that got us Burns. DJ Burns transferred and then ended up there and and had that magical run. Like yeah I mean maybe Xavian Lee of another Florida use case of Princeton High major plays. Well gets whatever $12 million goes to Florida and isn't exactly killing it right now but it seems like there's just a lot of opportunity across the board. I mean there's even I I hear like London Johnson who was a recruit back, you know, if you remember who's got next talking about that and now he's at Louisville. Like what in the world. Like he was, he was in the G league for five years. So yeah, it's, it's interesting. That's all I can say. I'm kind of adjusting to it myself and I'm not sure how to feel about the whole situation.
[00:31:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:15] Speaker A: But it is something that I'm adjusting to just like everyone else that's always.
[00:31:22] Speaker C: Curious your take on the G League guys coming back in because I feel like, I mean we went and got a pro from Bilbao and like some big time players. So I don't, I have no hate for London Johnson or any of these G leaguers since we, we have professionals playing on our team right now. That's like a step down to come get paid and play.
[00:31:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:37] Speaker C: But Sean, curious your thoughts on like the G leaguers and how it just kind of continues to expand a bit.
[00:31:42] Speaker B: Definitely. Yeah. I was it one of the, one of the coaches, Tom Izzo maybe like he, he really took issue with the London Johnson situation. But for me that's the weirdest part is these types of cases and not knowing if someone's going to be eligible or not and if so for how long. I mean even look at uva Like Malik Thomas and Test Ritter right now are two leading scorers. And for both of them, there was kind of a waiting game of. Of, oh, is, you know, is Malik Thomas going to get that extra year of eligibility? Like, we're kind of waiting that out. And then is Testerator going to be eligible? And then you find out he is going to be eligible, but, you know, are they NCAA deeming him a freshman? How many years is he getting? So a lot of weird cases, I would have to say. Overall, like, kind of feel like we're creating a pathway for professional players to play college, which was once considered an amateur game. So that's been, to me, a little hard to. To get used to, but, you know, it's. It's worked out pretty well for UVA so far. So with the Europeans that we've gotten, so, you know, we're just adjusting to the. To the new world.
[00:32:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I think. I think one of the interesting things you mentioned there is, like, all. Now we've got all this access to players, and they're doing the. On proving grounds and episodes, and we're learning, and these guys are more accessible than ever. But it seems like suddenly because we don't know them, we don't care. It's like, that's the hard part for me. Like, I hear that a lot with people, like, say, yeah, great. I'm like, this guy's now available, but I don't have any interest because he's only going to be here for three months. And, yeah, that part is hard for me to, like, wrap my head around. But I do understand it. Like, you're like, hey, I love uva. I love what we're supporting. And then now you could do this player nil thing, and then they come, and then you're kind of like, like, yeah, but now they're here because they're getting paid. And it just creates a weird vibe that I can't wrap my head around, if I'm being honest.
I'm trying. I'm trying to figure it out as we go through this space, but it is. It is something interesting. But we do have chance. Mallory kind of. The people call him the Prince of Charlottesville. We do have someone local and now on the program, which is really at his level outside of maybe Grant Kersey, Austin Castro.
[00:33:57] Speaker A: Des, I guess. But, like, nobody at his level.
Being local and starting is pretty neat.
But we'll see. We'll see how this pans out.
What have you thought of the game so far?
What is your analysis, so to speak? Of what are your thoughts of this team and the way it's constructed and the way they're playing, thoughts relative to what you've expected.
[00:34:24] Speaker C: It's well built. It's extremely well built and thoughtfully built. One of the things that was always kind of, I guess what was tough throughout the year was trying to. Not the year, but throughout the off season in the summer was I've got a lot of pieces. Who's going to start, how's it going to play out, who's going to do what, who's going to be like this, who's going to be those things. I feel like with most traditional teams or what I guess fans would have been used to throughout the years is you typically have a good sense of who's going to be able to do what parts and pieces, who's going to be a leading score, who's in your leading rebounder, your point guard and assist guy who's making jumps this year is like, all right, well, is Devin Tillis going to start?
Brunelau and Tess Deridder have to transition over, but you have onyenso, who's been in college, maybe he's a starter, maybe just. And really it's just turned into. We've got nine guys that play a lot of minutes together. Like Malik Thomas is our second leading scorer, but out of our, like, rotation of nine, I think he's gotten the least amount of minutes the last two or three games. And they all hover at a pretty good spot. And that was one of the things that I thought was pretty cool about Ryan Odom is if you look at a lot of his teams, he plays them a pretty fair amount. The style they play requires a good amount of conditioning or a good amount of depth to your team. So like his 9th, 10th guy played anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes and we're seeing that right now where like 1 through 9 all play like 15 plus. So well constructed.
[00:35:47] Speaker C: I don't think Jakari White's a human. I think he's just a like actual machine that knows how to just not miss. Three pointers. Guy has been absolute money. Quick release.
Just the Jacarmi. It's ironic, the guy, the flamethrower and Jacarmi just kind of go together, but that guy's quite the shooter and well, well built, well thought out team and I think it's starting to play well together.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it doesn't seem like we've had a guy like, like Drakari in a while. That, that is just like irrational confidence come off the bench and like just take crazy step backs and hit them and have the green light to do that.
But what about playing style? I'll go with you, Sean. Like what, what? Have you seen that sort of this? I've heard this analytics. Threes and layups and dunks and like getting pressuring. Pressuring to slow them down more so than to get turnovers and create things. But what are your thoughts on this style so far?
[00:36:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's been exciting and fun to watch. Yeah, I think we're something like 45ish percent of our field goal attempts are from 3, which is a pretty high mark. I think Carr and I talked a little bit about this on our, on our last episode.
But you know, you worry a little bit about living by the three, dying by the three and just kind of the, the natural ebbs and flows that come with three point percentage game to game. But I mean this type of roster, like you look at everyone in the rotation, I, I actually have it up right now. Let's see, the, the fewest three point attempts by anyone in the rotation right now is Devin Tillis with nine. And he's, you know, missed a few games.
So like you're looking at a roster where everyone in your rotation is a threat from three. Like even Onenso has, has made maybe three threes so far. So that's been, you know, a very fun style to watch.
And then on the defensive side. Yeah, you said it. Well, they're just applying pressure in the backcourt like you said, more so to disrupt them and slow them down. And I think Chance Mallory, I kind of, I have loved the role that he has played doing that. I think he's been really disruptive and kind of a pest. He's kind of gotten some, some easy layups with some of that backcourt pressure. Yeah.
[00:38:05] Speaker A: What's, what's the chance comp. While, while you're, while you're right there. What's the comp for him in terms of not just basketball cup doesn't have to be. Eva, who, who has he reminded you of so far?
[00:38:16] Speaker B: It's kind of lofty, so take this with a grain of salt, but for me, Jalen Brunson is the one who comes to mind.
[00:38:21] Speaker A: I like that.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Kind of everything from his like, you know, his body, body build and his shooting prowess and just defensive peskiness. So that's kind of what I see. And yet he's really elevated the ceiling of the team this year, I think, I think we, we were all hopeful about Chance Maurer But I don't think anyone expected them to be this good this early.
[00:38:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Shout out. Chance. What about. What about you, Kari? What are your thoughts?
[00:38:45] Speaker C: I was gonna say, like, Sean's thinking Jalen Brunson. I feel like the more I see him play and, like, the more chance to get some offense. I'm just seeing flashbacks to Carson Edwards. Just giving us fits in that Elite 8 game.
[00:38:57] Speaker A: That's a good one, too.
[00:38:57] Speaker C: He's at Carson Edwards level just yet, but I think give him like two or three years. The way he shoots, the way he attacks the basket like, like, and if he has the right roster around him and he gets to be the focal point of the offense, he has a lot of Carson Edwards elements to him. And that Purdue team was dangerous. I think Purdue was probably the hardest game we had in that stretch. It's not to take away from like the talent that Texas Tech or Auburn had, but that Purdue team was well built and Carson Edwards was just an absolute dog, like Walter Clayton levels of offense, Kemba Walker level levels of offense. So I think I see Carson Edwards in Chance Mallory's future.
[00:39:33] Speaker A: I would say that's probably the best. That's probably highest level of basketball I've seen in person.
Like, watching that game, that was unreal. Like, it was score. You know, that was the title bout that Tony Bennett used to talk about. Like, that felt like jab for jab. Both teams are really going at it. And that was. That was.
I watched, you know, I have that downloaded on my phone. That's how much of a junkie I am. I download that on my phone and I have like an hour or two flight. I'll watch it just, just for nostalgic sake. I just turn that game on and just kind of rewatch in all of that entire game. It's amazing.
[00:40:13] Speaker C: Anyway, I mean, you look back at like some of those guys faces throughout the game. It's like they're all having a blast. Like, whether up, down. Like, I just. Like, everyone that was involved with that game was like, this is absolutely insane. Like, what a game. And I think that's like, basketball is the most fun when it's just like, even when your opponent's like doing great stuff, you're like, I just. I can't not be. Like, this game was awesome. This is fun. Like, yes, they're my opponent, they're against me. But like, you got momity, like, chuckling and laughing. You've got Kyle Guy making faces about it. Like, I think everyone just got immersed in that game. Like, this is just a awesome moment and I'm glad it stood the test of time so far.
[00:40:43] Speaker A: Yeah, that is. That was really.
I can't remember a game, especially with uva in it. That was. That felt like that just like, like the level, you know, when Carson went off and did something crazy, we would come back, we just punch him right back. And, and that, that was amazing. That was just really fun to see. But I, I will say that what I'm seeing and how we're building this team and running and it does look like maybe you. You guys are recruiting gurus. This looks like a style of play. You know, people talk about Tony Bennett's people recruiting against us because of our style of play. And I actually have heard that from many players post that they were there, they thought about Virginia, but they were really questioning the style of play and slowing down. They just weren't sure about it. And it sounds like we're going the other way. And it seems like a lot more players could. Could say, you know what? I'm going to consider Virginia because of the style of play. I wonder if that's going to, you know, if all things are equal, meaning if the money is equal.
I wonder if Virginia's style of play will sway some guys to come to uva. What are your thoughts there?
[00:41:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I think right now, you know, it's probably. I'm hopeful of that as well. I think right now it's too early to. To say just because yeah, doesn't have any, any commits yet for 26. But. But yeah, I, I definitely agree and I'm, I'm hopeful the same. And yeah, I used to hear a lot of the same stories of, oh, you know, you don't want to go to Virginia. And you know, you would, you would even hear articles like on, on three website or two, four, seven Rivals, you know, they're, they're asking players what they think about schools and like, you know, you try not to read too much into what a high schooler's quotes are, but you could kind of tell sometimes that certain players weren't all that receptive or open to it. So, yeah, I am hopeful because I think our, our new style is quite attractive for the modern game.
[00:42:39] Speaker A: Yeah. What are your thoughts, Kari? What?
[00:42:40] Speaker C: It.
[00:42:42] Speaker C: I think it kind of comes down to like one, I think like, I didn't mind UVA style that much personally. I think the media narrative really shifted it. Like, you look back at that 201819 team or 20172018 team. Like, all it was is just like, hey, we're gonna bring up the court. We are like gonna run off screens. Like, if you're a shooter, like if you're an elite shooter, like, there's a reason why, like UBA shooters are still doing well in the league. It just kind of comes down to like, what are the different things you want to highlight? Like if I'm a wing and I'm primarily a shooter, I thought you'd be actually pretty attractive. Like, how well can I run off screens? What's the footwork? Like, how do I get show I can get open shots and knock them down at a high clip? Like, I think that's why we've put a lot of guys in the league and were able to develop like Trey Murphy for as great as he was, like coming out of Rice. Well, first coming out of Durham, always I give a shout out to my Durham guys.
Trey was a small guy but always a shooter. And I think uva really showed like the athleticism and the separation. Kyle Guy, Ty Jerome.
So I think our new style will be helpful and I think it'll allow us to be like, we're more modern, we're able to do these things. But I'm curious how we're going to build towards like, I'm going to make you into the next whoever Ryan say for this archetype, like, we're going to make you into the next this. That's the part I think we're missing and hopefully we can get that with some of this class, but hopefully we can figure that out.
[00:44:00] Speaker A: Yeah, the bridging the gap is tough because tb, he's basketball Jesus for me. I love him to death. So, you know, when I, when I think about how he built that thing from the beginning, it was like clear as day from day one what he was going to do. And he just executed against it all those years. And yeah, there was. I mean, when I was, I'm old, when I was a kid, there was one or two guys in the league, Brian Stith, John Crotty, then there was Mike Scott and Sean Singletary here and there. Like there just weren't a lot. And now that, you know, we hit double digits a few times with a number of guys in the league and it seemed like, like, you know, Tony Bennett developed them and showed them how to do it and those guys went out, obviously worked hard and, and made it happen. So I'm, I'm curious how this, this next era is going to be or if it even means anything because where you go to school now, I mean, everybody's an Alumni of four schools now. So it is like weird.
You know, I still have an affinity for all the guys that were here last year and transferred. Like, like I'm watching Louisville, I'm watching St. Louis, I'm, I'm watching Wisconsin, I'm watching all those other guys and I'm watching our guys. You know, it's kind of, it's just a new era of hoops that I'm just sort of like adjusting to. But I do like, I do like where we are. It's kind of fun to see. I know we're playing, playing today. Massive game Middle Eastern Shore to.
For. For all those that are actually we're probably not going to post this before the game, but we'll see how we do there. But rest of the season, what are your predictions? Where. Where does this team.
[00:45:41] Speaker A: Sort of.
Where do you see. See them panning out bubble team in Final Four. Where are you guys at? Start with you, Sean.
[00:45:48] Speaker B: Yeah, so Car and I, we did like a. On our podcast we go like game by game and we give our, our season predictions. I want to say I had a season something like 22 and 9, 11 and 7 in the ACC. My prediction was that we would be a, a second round team. So get to the round of 32. Round of 32 in the tournament. So for now I'll stick with that. But I'll say based on what I've seen so far, I do think that we have the potential to do better than that. So I'd say I'm, I'm optimistic that we could even do better.
[00:46:20] Speaker A: Kari, let's hear it. Give me some good news. Yeah, give me good predictions.
[00:46:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:25] Speaker C: So I'm usually actually the optimist out of me and Sean for our season predictions.
I think Sean, what I have us at, I think I had us 14 and 4 in the ACC with 3 non con losses. So I think I had us at 24 and 7.
Also a second round team, but I mean the ACCs looked pretty solid thus far.
So right now I think I'm going to stick with like, I think we can get to the second weekend depending on like the schedule. I like the way we play. I think we have some pop to us.
If you give me the first 30 minutes of the Dayton game, I think we're one of the best teams in the country. If you give me the last like 10 minutes of the game, I could see us losing like not getting the second weekend. So this team kind of has some ebbs and flows to it, but high powered offense really Solid.
So I think it just comes down to like, I want to see how we do that first half of the ACC slate and I think I can really start to make some pretty informed decisions there. But this team definitely has like, like best offensive potential around. It just have to be able to sustain for a full 40.
[00:47:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it's fun. It's fun to like watch as the season progresses, but it's really, you know, going to boil down to can we get hot at the right time? Right? Like that's just now the name of the game. Can you get hot in March and make a little run? And this scene seems to be built like it could like, it seems like a somewhat disruptive style.
And like we talked about Jakari and Chance, those seem like great March Madness style players that come in fearlessly and just like win us a game single handedly. So we'll see. I'm optimistic as well. So let's see.
You know, Fresh. Fresh couldn't join us. I know we're almost at time. Last, last question.
Mount Rushmore. You guys are way younger than me. We have a lot of the older audience with the. With, with love this question. Let's start with you, Sean. Your. Your Mount Rushmore uva. We'll give you five. As Fresh always says, we'll give you. We'll give you five players for your Mount Rushmore. Who you got?
[00:48:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
Oh, it's a good question. So although I was too young to watch him, I obviously have to start with Ralph Sampson.
[00:48:33] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[00:48:34] Speaker B: That's kind of, kind of the easy one there.
I was kind of influenced by hearing my dad talk about players from his time. So I would, I'd probably go Wally Walker. You know how it. He's involved in the program again. And then he was also had that tenure with the Seattle SuperSonics. So that's pretty cool.
And then I'll probably. I have to go Sean Singletary. He was, he was my guy.
[00:48:57] Speaker A: Yes, yes.
[00:48:58] Speaker B: Three right there.
[00:49:01] Speaker B: And then I, I probably have to go Joe Harris. And then I'll probably go. I'll probably go Kyle. Guys, that'd probably be my five.
[00:49:09] Speaker A: Wow. Okay. Joe Harris. Cow guy.
[00:49:11] Speaker B: Sorry, this is forgot.
[00:49:12] Speaker C: It's a pretty big omission there.
[00:49:15] Speaker B: So I'll, I'll Joe Harris for Brogdon.
[00:49:19] Speaker A: See, Brock says Brockton cow guy. No. Brian stiff the leading scorer. Okay. All right, all right.
[00:49:27] Speaker A: I know there's a lot of players to leave out here. Kari, who you got?
[00:49:31] Speaker C: Yeah, so just to make sure I get things correct and not forget the one of the biggest names in the sport for us. I'm gonna start with Malcolm Brogdon.
[00:49:38] Speaker A: I like it.
[00:49:39] Speaker C: Can't leave Kennedy the President off.
Yeah, gotta have the President on Mount Rushmore.
So Malcolm Brogdon, I would say gotta have Ralph Sampson on there just for what he was able to do for the program.
[00:49:52] Speaker C: The night after. Having fresh on our podcast, we've heard a lot about the 90s and how tough the 90s were and the teams that UVA had to go up against. So Bryant Stith being able to get some big time buckets over those years. I'll throw Bryant Stith on there.
So we got Brogdon, Sampson and Bryant Sith. We're getting five.
Kyle Guy I think for just really helping us get over the hump and kind of being that next culture setter between the man bun McDonald's All American, McDonald's All American Slam dunk champion. He just brought a swagger to him that I thought was fantastic.
And then.
[00:50:26] Speaker C: I would say Joe Harris just for kind of being the one that kicked it off like starting to really knock down the door. Kyle Guy and Ty Jerome busted through it, but I think Joe Harris started putting some chinks in the armor.
And then I'll throw not on my Mount Rushmore, but I got to give a shout out to my favorite player at uva. All time has got to be Justin Anderson. Between like the dunks, swagger, three point shooting, how he's just always a presence still afterwards. Ja Simba just absolute all time uva great in my opinion for the vibes culture and what he's able to do for the program. Not on my Mount Rushmore, but gotta.
[00:50:58] Speaker A: Give him a shot right there. Honorable mention. What. What about greatest player in the in NBA career wise from uva. Who. Who would you.
I know that's off the cuff, but who. Who do you get?
You think about NBA just in your era. I'm not. You don't have to go Wally Walker, Ralph Sampson era, but like in this Tony Bennett era, who's been to have the best.
[00:51:21] Speaker A: Sort of NBA career?
[00:51:23] Speaker B: Yeah, it's kind of young in his career, but I think Trey Murphy is the guy. Like, okay, you know, Brock Brogdon obviously just retired. He had a good run. But when I look at who's out there today, Trey Murphy is the guy that I'm working.
[00:51:36] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:51:37] Speaker B: He's in the midst of what could be a really solid career.
[00:51:40] Speaker A: Who you got, Kari?
[00:51:42] Speaker C: Oh, I'm trying to stay away from our era because I do feel like we've been Struggling to like produce over longevity. Is that Malcolm Brogdon? Actually, I think Malcolm Brogdon, like, he had some really big years of those Milwaukee Bucks years. I thought Milwaukee Bucks between him, Giannis Jabari Parker actually had championship potential. Jabari had injuries. Malcolm ended up on another team. But even getting that second contract with the Pacers for like four year, 80 mil the Celtics run.
[00:52:09] Speaker A: I mean, rookie of the year and sixth man of the year. I mean, he's in the record books for. He's hard to argue.
[00:52:16] Speaker C: So I think Malcolm, I think Trey Murphy has potential to get it together and end up being our best guy. But I mean, the Pelicans got to win some games right now. Doing great. But I mean, I think of it as empty stats. That's guy hits a lot of threes and the team only has three wins. So I need the Pelicans to get it together.
[00:52:33] Speaker A: All right, shout out my guy. DeAndre Hunter. I thought one of you would say that. I thought, I thought he, you know.
[00:52:38] Speaker C: Fourth pick a starter. I think he needs to get back to being a starter and I'll be able to give him the benefit of the doubt. And I need Cleveland to be able to kind of Cleveland getting a title and Cleveland not being a like Atlanta Hawks regular season darling.
Figuring it out I think would put him higher on my books.
[00:52:55] Speaker A: All right, he's got time. All these guys still have time. It's kind of fun to watch where they are. And I again appreciate you guys time.
We're right at that hour. Mark anything.
How do people find you?
[00:53:09] Speaker A: It's who's Hooping?
Where are you guys listing it at? How often are you guys doing your show?
[00:53:16] Speaker C: Yeah, so you can find us on Twitter or X whatever is your preferred title for it. But we're at who's Hooping? No G at the end. So just H o o s. That's where I agree as well too. But H o o s H o o p I n who's Hooping? We do our podcasts semi regularly. We try to get better about it. It all kind of depends on how the who's go when the who's are winning. We're pretty. We're front runners when it comes to our podcast and we're winning. We're talking about it all the time. We're having bad years. We're a little quieter. So hopefully you can find us at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you need, anything. And then you can always reach out to me and Sean directly at our other social media accounts and things like that I won't shout those out so you can find us directly, but also, you know, give us a connection on LinkedIn. We love LinkedIn and those things as well to help us on all platforms.
[00:54:03] Speaker A: I'll put all of that in the description here. I'll throw it on the forum. We would love to have you guys on a little more regularly too, so watch out for that. If you see Sean and Kari doing random pre game, post game dropping in interviews with players, watch out for that.
I'm a big fan of what you guys are doing. Love that you're on, on the right team cheering for us. So again, thank you. Thank you for your time and we will. We'll be seeing you around. Go.
[00:54:32] Speaker B: Who's.
[00:54:35] Speaker C: Love us.
